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Customer Systems

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Financially rewarded very well for a miserable existence. - Principal Consultant Customer Systems Employee Review

2.0
7 June 2013
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Pros

Good pay. High levels of client responsibility. Perform much more senior roles, much earlier in your career than you would elsewhere.

Cons

There is a difference between being thrown in at the deep end, and being blindfolded, hands tied behind your back and thrown off a cliff. This is not always recognised. Expected to have zero social life. Expected to abide by a preposterous dress code. Expected to abide by a series of unwritten & unspoken rules. Open and honest communication is frowned upon. Instead a web of rumours is preferred. Pay/Bonus/Promotion system is absurd.

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Comments from Steve A Firstly, please see http://www.customersystems.com/employeefeedback [Financially rewarded very well for a miserable existence. I worked at Customer Systems full-time for more than 3 years] My advice is, if you ever again find yourself having a miserable existence, don't stay there for 3 years. Move sooner and make everyone happy. [Pros – Good pay. High levels of client responsibility. Perform much more senior roles, much earlier in your career than you would elsewhere.] As we promise [There is a difference between being thrown in at the deep end, and being blindfolded, hands tied behind your back and thrown off a cliff. This is not always recognised.] We do 'drop people in the deep end' and we are clear about this. It is very rare that our people sink and of course the help of a manager is only ever a phone call away. One guy, who joined us straight from uni, did the training in half the allotted time and commenced work on his 4th Monday with us handling a project by himself in the US. You probably aren't he. I cannot accept that we blindfold people. That would imply that we deliberately prevent them seeing what is going on at a client. Not only would that be silly, but it also sounds impossible I cannot accept that we tie people's hands behind their backs. That would imply that we deliberately prevent them helping clients. If you felt like you were being thrown off a cliff, then you probably weren't as ready for your first assignment as we thought you were. [Expected to have zero social life.] Almost everyone who joins is interviewed by me and I make clear that the travel can be quite arduous. It is not unusual to be flying to site late Sunday or early Monday and getting home late on Friday. Having said that, I did this same job myself at the start of my career and, for me the tradeoff was worth it. I had to build a social life wherever the site was but I got to travel to places I might never have visited otherwise (Saudi Arabia, South Africa etc) and, in my early twenties I was able to speak with authority to senior people well over twice my age and solve their problems for them. [Expected to abide by a preposterous dress code.] Yeah . That must have hurt. [Expected to abide by a series of unwritten & unspoken rules.] Welcome to life. That's how the world works. That's how businesses work. That's how marriages and relationships work. [Open and honest communication is frowned upon. Instead a web of rumours is preferred.] My suggestion, not that you were asking me for one, is that next time you want to know something, detach yourself from the rumour mill and ask a director to spend a few minutes answering your questions. You might be pleasantly surprised at what kind of conversation ensues. At company conferences, I give more time to answering the provocative questions than the anodyne ones because I find them more interesting. [Pay/Bonus/Promotion system is absurd.] Employees frequently tell me we pay well, so I don't understand the problem here. [Advice to Senior Management – I could write whatever I wanted here with 100% confidence it would be ignored.] On the annual personnel review form, we ask people to share their thoughts as to how we can run the company better. This is not intended to be a promise that we will agree or necessarily act on suggestions - It is simply asking for a generous sharing of your ideas. Most of the ideas this prompts are ones we don't agree with and many of them are, at least to our way of thinking, commercially naive. That's not really a great surprise. We've run a successful business here for nearly 16 years and I've been running successful IT businesses on and off since I was 24 (30 years ago). By contrast, our intake is generally of very bright, very academic, very technically orientated people in their early twenties who have little commercial experience. However, I must stress that just occasionally this question elicits an answer which is startling in its usefulness and which we adopt as standard procedure. [No, I would not recommend this company to a friend – I'm not optimistic about the outlook for this company] Yogi Berra said, "Prediction is very hard - especially of the future." I don't have a crystal ball. What I can say is that we've been in this market for 15.5 years and, during that time, we've seen a lot of competitors fade away or end up in the hands of liquidators with the remnants sold for a pittance. Those competitors were not run by fools or lazy people. In some cases, they were lauded as the latest and greatest star to follow until somehow they suddenly weren't. In the first 15 years of our existence, we have generated a total pre-tax profit of just under £26 million. The tax man hasn't done badly either. That said, business fluctuates. In 2012 we shrank. In 2013 we are growing.

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5.0
31 May 2015
Anonymous employee
Recommend
CEO approval
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Pros

I was a foreign student from a good school and good GPA, but not much luck with the 'bigger guys'. It was Customer Systems that took a chance on me, and helped me find my passion with a career that I still enjoy to this day, 10 years later. Customer Systems is a 'job on steroids', within months, you develop true deep expertise; and that's not just a company slogan, your expertise gets validated everytime you visit clients and see how you compare against others. I can speak for 'my generation', we all had stories of beating Oracle at their own game. We all had a strong 'can do' spirit that CS instilled in us, and we had so much fun at our clients sides In the span of 6 years I worked at over 18 clients in six industry sectors. I started with Siebel CRM, but CS recognized that I enjoy reports too, so they helped me develop expertise in OBIEE. Not a single dull moment The hiring salary was low, yes, but within two years I was making more money than my friends who started at the same time, and the gap continued to grow. Added bonus: Being a foreigner, it was Customer Systems that sponsored my green card application so that I don't have to worry about visas. I left CS as I decided I need to slow down on the travel side and spend more time with family and friends. I wish everyone at CS the best !

Cons

The job is sometimes too demanding and can affect your personal life, a lot of 'lost time' in travel when you are working on remote assignments, but that's no surprise; you are told that from the getgo. It's fun in the first few years, ok later on, but then becomes too much. There isn't much 'telecommuting' or 'work from home', at least not in my time. but again, they are clear about that from day 1.

5.0
24 July 2013
Recommend
CEO approval
Business outlook

Pros

Excellent training program: Customer Systems turned me into a valuable consultant in six weeks through its rigorous training program. Esprit de corps: More than a decade after leaving Customer Systems I am fortunate to count many of my former colleagues as close friends. Experience: There are not many entry level positions that accord the level of responsibility that one is expected to take at Customer Systems. Skills: The techincal training was superb. What I did not realise at the time, but became aware of as I moved into a different industry, was how many transferable consulting skills I learned. These included project management, business processe re-engineering, change mananagement and the ability and confidence to communicate effectively with a wide range of people from executives down. Integrity: Steve and Duncan made this central. Many firms pay lip service.

Cons

The travel can certainly be arduous, so go in with your eyes open. This is the nature of consulting and is not specific to Customer Systems.

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