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As a Graduate, you don't realise how bad it is until you have left and work for a normal employer! - Principal Consultant Customer Systems Employee Review

1.0
10 June 2013
Recommend
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Pros

High graduate salary with regular pay increases. High levels of responsibility at client's sites. Exaggerated job titles (if that is your kind of thing!). Principal Consultant in 2 years.

Cons

The HQ in Chertsey has the atmosphere of a morgue. Talking amongst peers, be it work related conversation or not, is strictly frowned upon. Intelligent people are hired and given a great deal of client responsibility early in their career - however, a stint of 'benched time' in the head office is like being time-warped back to what I imagine a Victorian nursery school may have been like, where almost everything is banned. Considering how infrequently a client comes to the head office (once a year perhaps) you may rightfully expect it to have a slightly more friendly and dressed down feeling than on a client's site - this is certainly not the case. Finally, there is no clear information flow in this company. Communication between the management and employees is shocking, openness and honesty are certainly not values of Customer Systems. Instead, information is passed down through a web of rumours, mis-heard conversations and general mayhem, making it very difficult to feel comfortable working there. Considering there were only 25 employees when I worked at Customer Systems, this could very simply have been avoided, so I can only suggest that it was intentionally this way.

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Customer Systems Response
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Comments from Steve A Firstly, please see http://www.customersystems.com/employeefeedback So much of what I said in reply to the previous review is equally applicable here that I am inclined to refrain from repeating it here but rather to direct you to the review above I would like, however, to address the topics contained in [The HQ in Chertsey has the atmosphere of a morgue. Talking amongst peers, be it work related conversation or not, is strictly frowned upon..Vitorian nursery school..almost everything is banned.] Well, of course, working isn't banned and, if we're still paying you at a time when we we don't have a project to use you on, then expecting you to do some work isn't wholly unreasonable. Try to look at it like this just for a moment. If the office is filling up with people whose services we haven't sold, then we have a problem. Taken to its limit it can become a fatal problem for the company - It's really not a joke. Some of our competitors have gone to the knacker's yard because of just this problem. So this is a point of maximum stress for the people whose job it is to sell your services. Just at the point of maximum stress a whole bunch of extra people come into the office and the way they conduct themselves has a considerable effect on the poor folk for whom this office is their normal workplace. A truly mature way to act would be to ask what you can do to help with the sales process and so gain some extra skills which could turn out to be precious to you in later life. Buckling down to whatever technical work you are assigned is also perfectly OK. But when a group of consultants arrive, who to be fair, have probably just worked very hard on the project they have just completed but now see time on the office as holiday camp time and show no consideration for others, this is really just a way of multiplying the stress of the people trying to dig the sales situation out of a hole. So, having loud lengthy conversations about non-work related subjests is very unwelcome. Some people also, through not fault of their own just have loud voices and even work-related discussions if conducted loudly and lengthily within earshot of others trying to concentrate, is unfair. What is asked of people in this situation is that they take their lengthy loud work-related conversation off into a meeting room of which we have plenty. Also, [As a Graduate, you don't realise how bad it is until you have left and work for a normal employer!] Some people are comfortable working for what might be called a normal employer. Personally, I always strived, when I was an employee rather than a business owner, to work for extraordinary companies rather than normal ones. There is no doubt that, in extraordinary organisations, life can be less comfortable for people who crave 'normality'. In the extraordinary organisations I worked in, conflict, arguments, passion, extreme hard work etc were not unknown and conventional notions of comfort were not typical. For me, averageness is not a goal. So there is an element here of each to his own taste. What I do want to stress is that, should you ever try to form your own business (and I mean a real business - not a personal service company) please don't aim for it to be normal. Big companies can survive being normal. Small ones can't survive without substantial differentiation.

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5.0
31 May 2015
Anonymous employee
Recommend
CEO approval
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Pros

I was a foreign student from a good school and good GPA, but not much luck with the 'bigger guys'. It was Customer Systems that took a chance on me, and helped me find my passion with a career that I still enjoy to this day, 10 years later. Customer Systems is a 'job on steroids', within months, you develop true deep expertise; and that's not just a company slogan, your expertise gets validated everytime you visit clients and see how you compare against others. I can speak for 'my generation', we all had stories of beating Oracle at their own game. We all had a strong 'can do' spirit that CS instilled in us, and we had so much fun at our clients sides In the span of 6 years I worked at over 18 clients in six industry sectors. I started with Siebel CRM, but CS recognized that I enjoy reports too, so they helped me develop expertise in OBIEE. Not a single dull moment The hiring salary was low, yes, but within two years I was making more money than my friends who started at the same time, and the gap continued to grow. Added bonus: Being a foreigner, it was Customer Systems that sponsored my green card application so that I don't have to worry about visas. I left CS as I decided I need to slow down on the travel side and spend more time with family and friends. I wish everyone at CS the best !

Cons

The job is sometimes too demanding and can affect your personal life, a lot of 'lost time' in travel when you are working on remote assignments, but that's no surprise; you are told that from the getgo. It's fun in the first few years, ok later on, but then becomes too much. There isn't much 'telecommuting' or 'work from home', at least not in my time. but again, they are clear about that from day 1.

5.0
24 July 2013
Recommend
CEO approval
Business outlook

Pros

Excellent training program: Customer Systems turned me into a valuable consultant in six weeks through its rigorous training program. Esprit de corps: More than a decade after leaving Customer Systems I am fortunate to count many of my former colleagues as close friends. Experience: There are not many entry level positions that accord the level of responsibility that one is expected to take at Customer Systems. Skills: The techincal training was superb. What I did not realise at the time, but became aware of as I moved into a different industry, was how many transferable consulting skills I learned. These included project management, business processe re-engineering, change mananagement and the ability and confidence to communicate effectively with a wide range of people from executives down. Integrity: Steve and Duncan made this central. Many firms pay lip service.

Cons

The travel can certainly be arduous, so go in with your eyes open. This is the nature of consulting and is not specific to Customer Systems.

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