The Kaiser Model Does Not Favor the Physician. - Physician Kaiser Permanente Employee Review

1.0
22 July 2021
Recommend
CEO approval
Business outlook

Pros

Health coverage for families. The benefits, in general, are decent.

Cons

Kaiser might be an excellent fit for those providers directly out of training but only for a short period. You can most likely get a slightly smaller base salary out of the gate, and they sometimes offer sign-on bonuses/loans when they feel like it and to whom they think worthy but avoid taking this as they will undoubtedly ask for it back even if you move roles within Kaiser. I’ve seen this happen many times and see the same issues with the home loan. Back to the salary. The recruiting team will show you an expected salary after five years of service, reflecting a 5% increase each year. This is false and misleading. Even with the highest productivity with your group and very high patient satisfaction surveys, you will receive a generic letter in the mail thanking you for another year of dedication and a rate of increase less than 0.80% that feels more like a slap in the face. All the while, record inflation is rampant throughout the country at the same time when we live in the most expensive part of the country in California. To add insult to injury, during the pandemic, while we have been putting our lives on the line every day and putting our families at risk while Kaiser is making record profits of over $2 BILLION per quarter, they took away our overtime pay while on service. So, we step up, and they reduce our salary. Where is the fairness in that? We are certainly not treated like family at Kaiser like they love to tout. We are treated like third-rate expendable profit machines without the benefit of sharing the fruits of our 14-hour daily labors. The Kaiser model is not sustainable for the physician as you would be doing yourself a disservice in the long run for remaining at Kaiser. It might be feasible for two-three years max but less lucrative and tiring long term. There is no administration time while panel maximums are increased every time an intelligent physician leaves, and they decide not to backfill that position to save money. Everything at Kaiser ultimately comes down to profit and more ways to extract that profit from the physicians who give their lives for a system to take it away. There is an article titled why I left Kaiser that I recently came across with a quick internet search, and I recommend that you read it as well. A few of us are looking to start our own Reddit to share ongoing woes as they keep coming every way you turn the longer you stay at Kaiser.

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Pros

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Cons

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4.0
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Pros

Kaiser is a great place to work and build a career over time. In my experience salaries are above market for most positions, and the benefits are so good that many people become "lifers". The health coverage is extremely generous, and time off starts off adequate and gets better over time (18 days when you start, moving up to 33 after 15+ years - this does not include sick time). Employees truly believe in the mission of KP (at least, I do) and it's clear that this is a place where employees' contributions are valued. Although my role is not part of any of the unions, the fact that our workforce is predominantly unionized also places a positive role in KP's reputation as a good place for workers (although having unionized staff also presents many challenges). Overall, I enjoy working at KP and would recommend it to others, but understand that you are entering a big bureaucracy. A friendly, mission-driven bureaucracy, but still.

Cons

Cons: having lots of "lifers" means that innovative ideas and workflows are not always adopted without a fight. People have their roles deeply embedded here, and any threat to the status quo is seen as negative, even though we need to make some pretty radical changes given the new health care environment post-ACA. There's a lot of "not my job" attitudes here. It's hard to navigate the layers of bureaucracy, both in terms of personnel/HR/benefits, and in getting work done (there are often 4-5 departments at the regional and national KP levels working on similar areas, and no guidance on who does what.) Be aware that KP is not immune to reorganizations and layoffs -- they do make a good attempt to ensure workers are hired elsewhere in the organization, but there are no guarantees, and there can be a lot of turnover in certain departments. Benefits are currently generous but are always subject to downgrades in the future, so just be aware of that. Some changes to the pension and retiree medical benefits are about to hit, and with them a wave of Baby Boomers will be taking retirement, which should hopefully open up many new management opportunities for Millennials. Oh, and the biggest con of all: we still - STILL - use Lotus Notes for email. Shocking, I know, but true.

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